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Sep 30, 2020 7:13 AM
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#debate #americanbully
MechKelly
Oh no leave the cameras on. I want to see the frustrated angry faces when they can't talk.
4Endymion
I propose that the moderators have autotune and they make the offending party sound like a chipmunk.
Etrigan77
To be fair... if manners and decency were a thing it would not be needed. I cannot understand voting for someone that much of a shit
downvotevacuum
One was worse, but it certainly wasn't only one asshole.
Gudhansson
Silverwingedfluff
Boy the kids in history class are going to look up 2020 and wonder what the fuck... Future ones, use this year as a cautionary tale.
Nautilus20
Or hey, how about we go back to leaders authoring their own treatises wherein they research their positions so they aren’t brazen lies?
swedeonamoose
kinda felt like nobody won, but trump lost.
Skyhighatrist2
Wow! Just watched some highlights, he does not shut up! Disrespectful unprofessional POS.
georgejimmydoodle
I wouldn't mind seeing them when the mic was off.
Ricedcrisper
If you can't respect someone's time, you've lost the debate.
LivingDeadX
Or... and stay with me here... we can require our Presidential candidates to act like adults.
disabledwerewolf
They agreed to terms before the debate. Trump agreed to 2 mins of uninterrupted responses. How do you require him to keep his word?
CrapOnASpatula
Presidential debates should be run with high school debate club rules.
pancakesplz
ie actual debate format.
EllipsThis
The campaigns negotiate debate terms. Until every network insists on the right to mute mics during responses, this will be our reality :(
ruferto
shouldnt be be the network's calls at all
TooSlowForHumor
It would be funny to watch Trump forget that his mic is off and him still going
SuperSwiggitySwag
Non-verbal reactions are totally fine. Agreeing or disagreeing with an opponent is important information. I'm cool with the rest
keroko
See, in most civilized countries either the speakers let eachother finish, or the moderator does his job and cuts those going over time off.
theonewholurksabout
He just would not shut up and he looked extra orange and his hands extra small
roxanne888
As a (now) virtual teacher, I really like this new mute options for kids and I think it'd work great for debates too
AlfredPHumidor
And see trump literally run over and wrestle the mic away.
f1photog
Run? Wrestle? Think about who you're referencing.
pancakesplz
Well, we *do* live in strange times ... *sigh*
mendelde
Makes you kinda wonder how the Democrats pulled off their nominee debates with 10 people on the stage at the same time, doesn't it? ;-)
Zero3Quarter
civility and respect, that's how......... neither of these (and countless other) traits are held by Trump
PaintedSlate
I mean, it's not easy, but it's doable without the wrong people involved.
tbomber
Eye rolls should be on the table. They dont interrupt. Also gives clues.
zochRot
A clue! A clue!
NapoleonDynOmite
No, the rules are for the lowest common denominator. Ie... Trump
lissik
An eye roll may not interrupt, but if it distracts the audience from what the other person is saying then it serves the same purpose.
dudethisbetternotbetaken
And Trump rolled his eyes enough to know that he's got this big, empty space behind them echoing his egotistic rhetoric.
junkgoof
Not sure the debate matters. Trump is attacking the validity of the election and he only accuses others of what he does. He’ll cheat big.
LateChrononaut
Bet he still farts then claims "he who smelt it delt it" in seriousness
The701
Farts then claims it's leftist deep state antifa agents trying to gas him to death.
MegaDeuce
I thought he said the democrats cheat?
junkgoof
Exactly. He accuses his opponents of what he will do. Karl Rove cardinal rule (from Goebbels). He says they'll cheat because he'll cheat.
MegaDeuce
I think about that alot, actually. "Accuse the enemy of that which you are guilty"
junkgoof
It’s not just the racism and the dictatorial attitude they really follow the nazi propaganda techniques completely. Karl Rove...
MegaDeuce
Did you mean to type more after this?
sarabear
*bigly
Onda6g
This year has me so broken I've found myself using this word in casual conversation...
pancakesplz
*yugely
sarabear
pancakesplz
Exxxxxxxxactly.
ShieldAnvil1
We all know this is how a debate should be run, network TV does do this because that is not the debate they want to broadcast
Ihatedecidingonausername
After every debate comes rage that everyone interrupts and the time limits aren't strict. Last night was a joke but I didn't find it much
Ihatedecidingonausername
Different than other debates. Everyone who is acting ng like this was totally unprecedented is forgetting the past IMHO
Malikhi
I would agree if this wasn't just about Trump. The others have been practicing debate etiquette for decades, Trump is an orangutan throwing
Malikhi
Feces and his cage. He has no respect for civil debates, the people debating, the issues being debated, nor the citizens affected by them.
jayar1st
Orangutan are a nice species. What we saw last night was cruel and unusual.
Malikhi
Lol fair point. I was just going on the orange thing. More like an orange monkey then.
imakeeper
This is not how a debate should be run. A debate should involve two adults who have a rational discussion of differing opinions.
EllipsThis
Sort of. Candidates negotiate terms, like knowing topics beforehand, time to respond, etc. No power to mute mics is in there.
WorkBeerRepeat
And there is no chance the Trump team would be ok with muting mics as that’s really his only trick. Heck, Biden’s might not be ok with it.
Shamwowser
Well, someone night okay it just to get muted on purpose and then call out that they're getting censored and 'needs' to be listened to
Shamwowser
Screw it, not fixing it. Use context.
J0765
The debate is not to help you choose. It’s for ratings.
Sprixxen
Not really that true. Since the first televised debate in the 60's its been about targeting undecided voters.
ShieldAnvil1
That is my point. We all know what a debate should be. We have never been given that, instead we get "Good TV", another reality TV show
Dionysus187
Its only been to this degree because of Trump, implying this was orchestrated by the networks is just false.
ShieldAnvil1
Clearly you have never watched a network debate before. It's always a shit show, this was bit worse than normal but it's always a shit show
Dionysus187
Watched them since Bush W, they never approached this level
certainlynotaserialkiller
its planned as much as "just let trump run his mouth"
Thor400
Tv networks don't orchestrate the content they moderate and broadcast c'mon guys
MegaDeuce
Can we talk about the "Proud Boys - stand back and stand by" comment????
MegaDeuce
Are they just the new Brownshirts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
ChainmailleAddict
LITERALLY. I knew he'd try to avoid that question because he's a literal fascist, but WOW.
tbomber
Someone should really do a meme about that.
sarabear
PB’s already cranked out lots of content: Logos, patches, you name it. Trump really inspired them, like good leaders should
PaintedSlate
Totally not related:
sarabear
PeachPrinny
Be prepaaaared... stand back stand by lol
The701
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."
The701
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F
MegaDeuce
Well, there you have it.
MegaDeuce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung This too
twisteddkarma
Zero3Quarter
it should be measured in minutes, and the only ones that count are the ones where he's actually asleep
otish
You mean international?
Argusdubbs
convenient, a counter that never requires updating.
Thefrozencrow
I think days might be a lofty goal, try starting with something a little smaller like hours
Zero3Quarter
minutes, we need to be realistic and start with minutes
thehumanoidsarecoming
this counter has never gone above single digits
sudokori
To be fair he has had a day or two in a row where he was too busy golfing to make himself known.
PinnsthePickle
This counter has never gone above 0
thehumanoidsarecoming
eh, hes had a couple day spans that were quiet.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
Confirmed
Akurei00
Though we might have made it a few hours before. I'm sure I've been able to go at least... 1.5 hours without hearing something about him
drunkleqrow
Well, that's a single digit.
Zyrixion
But the distinction is important. God forbid anyone think he went a day without being an embarrassment, let alone 9 whole days.
iveneverthoughtofanyusernameaslongasididthisonee
That was my exact thought
bingtittletittlebong
I propose they stand in transparent, sound-proof booths so you could see them silently yelling and flailing while it's the other one's turn.
TheBlueMuppet
alittlekinkinthenuts
Like the one on "Win Ben Stein's Money"??
xETM
Could the booth's be rigged with gas, triggered by interruptions? Knock out gas? Sure, that could work too.
The701
Shock collars.
Devolv3
I propose that if their mic continues to hear sound, water is dripped into the sealed booth.
Woodcastle
Tbf Biden interupted to correct lies and trump interupted to tell like a toddler.
fudgex
I was gonna say, I’m pretty sure one would be flailing like a child, the other patiently (somewhat angrily) waiting
TheCaptain00
Would? Was, it was really pathetic to watch.
fudgex
Could’ve really used that glass case then lmao
Klnwltrnk
I'd use my "no-talking" time to try and say the alphabet using inappropriate language. "Asshole...Bitch...dare you fuckers to un-mute me..."
spiceass9000
I’d use mine to listen to my opponent so I could form a competent reply
Sconels
A, b, D, y, f, t ,u,m
ElGatoMx
So you can see ONE of them silently yelling and flailing... ONE of them. (Hint: he sports a slight orange hue...)
The701
Heh, "slight."
The701
(Apologies... that really is way too many pixels there.)
ElGatoMx
I refrained from clicking. Took some restraint.
awkwardbeautiful
I would be fine with mics being turned off when it’s not their turn to talk.
shartedatmysonsgraduation
Just watched the debate. Couldn’t stop begging them to do exactly that! Far out, smh.
CavendishBandana
Only if they are in separate sound proof booths so they don't reply to stuff we can't hear. Cause you know they'd keep talking
Technotoad64
That would just make the orangutan yell louder
tickleyourfancies
And for some dumb reason I really expected it to happen at some point.
SmallMarbleDancer
Also, shock collars.
Invisiblecurse
Imagine this: Trump vs Trump debate
nickdoesntsharefood
Already doing it with new/ old tweets. And boy is he making him look dumb
NZSheeps
W0ND0
I work for a parliament and built our system to just do this when their time to speak ran out.
PicassoCT
Should do that.. And then overlay whatever they said, as reply over there own voices when its there turn..
mercyPandaRunner
That's genius! You heckle, you're heckling yourself
Rediix
That'll just end with Trump calling himself a libtard and his followers cheering
mercyPandaRunner
I wished he'd start arguing with himself ;)
PicassoCT
That would be a fooltime job
hwatL4bloopy
I could see trump walking over to the moderators Mic to keep talking
FlufferNutter
Trump would just shout, we would still be able to hear him
txronin55
This is exactly what I told my SO last night. It was basically a Real Housewives Reunion with just two old white guys.
DorianBlack
That poor person is entirely missing the point of an event explicitly marketed like a heavyweight title fight. The conflict n confrontation
Munchman347
Trump's a screamer. He'd bring a megaphone to a debate...
CPTNNemo
I dont understand why it is not done like that... each candidate gets alloted time and once the timer hits 0, no more talking.
iamnotabunnywhydoyouask
Trump would throw a tantrum and his brainless followers would show up with torches and weapons
lncorrectGrammerNazi
Dew it
tanebot
The viewers should still see both candidates, with the one whose not talking on mute, precisely so we can see Trump throw poo at the camera.
Hnetu
So like normal. Nothing will have changed.
iamnotabunnywhydoyouask
Nevertheless, I agree.
cardsox
You cant do it because it opens up claims of suppression and bias. It would be nice but defies the point of debates
awkwardbeautiful
Not really.the mic is live for the time allotted.When it’s not your turn you don’t get to talk.That’s not suppression, that’s the rules.
cardsox
Right but youll get push back from both sides saying they werent allowed to push back/correct facts ect. You also get into questions of 1/2
cardsox
Media bias. I literally took a class on politics in mass media last fall and debates were a part of it.
awkwardbeautiful
I’m not disagreeing that ppl would shout media bias.they prob do already.If rules of debate are set and enforced equally,then your doing 1/2
awkwardbeautiful
That’s what rebuttals are for. You don’t verbally cut someone off while they’re talking
hye1901
Do you honestly believe that trump would not just go over and take Bidens microphone instead?
Strayan101
He wouldn't know he was muted, Keep talking which biden would still hear while trying to speak. Also you would hear him through biden's mic.
CatChonkDad
That's a LOT of extra walking for Trump.
iamnotabunnywhydoyouask
Toodamagedtocare
He would be screaming like a toddler of cousre !!!????
finhat
Yo Biden, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Proud Boys, stand back and stand by
UnholyDarkness2
ihatepeasoup
get Kanye'd
WineWomenAndSong
I'm imagining the debate as a zoom meeting and Trump running out of his room and later busting into Biden's bedroom to yelling into his mic.
Wulf27
He cant run, he has "bone spurs"
WineWomenAndSong
Waddle then?
fartser
But, he made a statement... I have to respond!
necrojoe
Then the debates need a baliff, apparently.
ChainmailleAddict
I think we all know Biden could just give a good push and that spineless baby would start screaming.
JayEnfield
I think Biden could have Buzz Aldrin stand next to him for this. Buzz doesn't do anything or say anything. He just stands there, eying Don.
DrKriegersClone
Like that South park scene where Cartman breaks down after taking one punch
ChainmailleAddict
Holy crap EXACTLY that
Brunitski
He might try....
Death83
Took the fucking words outra my mouth! Lmao Trump would get his ass knocked out.
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
That's when Bernie storms the stage with a steel chair.
Teledabby
hair vs hair match!
FunkyHandsMcgee
Sebastian987654
Fly Bernie, Fly!
Brunitski
That’s gold mate
BatLadyRielle
Is this everyone’s first debate or something? Every past debate has had this same issue, every time we complain. Like clockwork
Ialmostgotthis
People won't agree to debate if they can't interrupt their opponent.
UVAChemE2013
Every past debate with Trump has had this issue. Debates have clearly gotten worse over time. I’m guessing you haven’t watched many debates.
chrstphrsh
I'm old enough to remember 2000, when there was a huge fuss after Gore rolled his eyes and sighed while Bush was talking.
thatsbadmmkay
Definitely the most petulant Ive ever seen someone in a debate. Ever.
TigerThong
There were a lot more interruptions this time.
Welverein
This time both candidates agreed on rules including 2min without interupting per question.. Guess who didn't follow the rule from scratch?
chaseNC
Debates have been heated in the past and filled with interruptions but nothing nearly as bad as last night. Children are more well behaved.
BatLadyRielle
There are established ways to run debates- the hosts know this. They hold it this way on purpose.
MercerSkye
Of course they do. At this point, 'everyone' knows who they're voting for. The Debates over the last 20 some years are just for show
JhericFury
Why though, that's the bit I never get. Is it even good tv anymore? You can't even get good soundbites.
dmitriid
Because it's on TV. And American TV has been like this for decades
AmbroseGudmaker
My SO loves Masterchef, watches all the English language versions, the US one seems to be more about manufactured drama than food ?
popejubal
That's not even a little bit true. There's always people talking out of turn, but we haven't had a presidential debate like this one ever.
R0bhimself
I mean trump did something similar to Clinton.
LeroyShabazAli
Even that debate wasn't as bad as this one. Not great, but this was terrible.
R0bhimself
That’s fair. I imagine the noose wasn’t quite so tight around trumps neck then either
graehall
Seems like they want to normalise Trump's behaviour instead of calling it out for how egregiously shit it was.\
JHRD1880
You need to look up Romney vs Obama from 2012.
ZachariasWolfe
I didn't see that/those debates. Were they both pretty respectful to one another?
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
They were like this but two adults. So, a bit of interrupting and a lot of tension but no petulant ranting or crying.
JHRD1880
They were yeah. They also tended to respect the debate rules by letting the other speak without interrupting much of at all.
JHRD1880
https://youtu.be/hx1mjT73xYE
stja
The purpose of public political debate is not to discuss or inform. It's to provide entertainment of reality TV style and quality.
stja
Disliking the ugly facts won't make them disappear. If you fuckers voted based on candidate policy and plans rather than whether they are[1]
stja
red or blue perhaps, just perhaps, there might be something else to debates than low quality entertainment. As it is voters don't give [2]
stja
a fuck about anything other than whether they're voting against dumb crybaby babymurderer libs or fascist maga evil reps. [3]