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TeDmund
I tend to see it as 'pick a field you love, and having to work 40+ hours per week in it you won't love it anymore'
Cthulily
As an art therapist, yes.
secretlibby
People can't tell the difference between what's fun to do and what they love to do. Love means being willing to suffer.
satyapalkaur
Lots of help wanted signs near me - most don't need a degree. I have a feeling lots of laborer jobs will be available......
theycallmebirb
Aw man I picked a field I loved and worked hard and now I have an amazing job I love! It CAN happen :)
Nutkin
Same !
Sionas
Depends what kind of job. But with robots coming, the competition will be fierce.
hybridwong
I think I should gone for a career as a labourer when I turned 16, at least then when you have experience you can work for yourself easily.
Bandaro
so damn true. I have a 50,000 $ piece of paper now. plz give me job.
Doctadeth
Spare a thought for the disabled who don't even get the benefit of that. Most cannot even work, and not through their own fault.
alldaydreamlong
I went to college with this guy. Him and his friend made modern stock photos. They're everywhere now.
STOVETOASTER
Oh hello there, friend ????
STOVETOASTER
Lol that emoji didn't work. ???? = *wave emoji*
alldaydreamlong
Lol sup
Alverez
He looks like the evil teacher in "Life is Strange"
GuffTheTough
Mr. Fucking Jefferson!
STOVETOASTER
#goals
iDigDinos
lucky me, I never got to pick the field I love because my parents paid for my college and they said there's no future in art.
iDigDinos
i'm still jobless.. so take that parents!!! (not by choice)
hoofay
Start my new job next week as a mathematician after years of studying. I'm really excited :-)
CaptainAwesomeMachine
You're not supposed to enjoy your job. Pursue a career that pays well and offers good opportunity. Then use your money to enjoy life.
Grenther
Damn I'm doing it wrong. I enjoy it AND am pursuing a good career that pays well. Oh bother...
jschneider4067
Pretty sure that's what people who hate their job tell themselves to make them feel better
chromofoam
Yeah good advice if your employers don't expect to own your mortal soul 24/7 - which they all do. Work for yourself, much smarter
CaptainAwesomeMachine
I'm an electrical engineer. I don't love or hate my job. I'd rather be a musician. My friends who became musicians live with their parents.
skittlesFan
Who abbreviates "number" as "nr"?
TheProfessionalOne
Employers are hiring if you have talent. Key word talent, not what your ego tells you, but what your resume depicts; be willing to relocate.
Grenther
like GPA: 4.0; Java, C#, SQL, HTML, CSS, JS, Database design, etc.. Some projects to show, some exp with companies & you're most wanted!
tirogrande
or a valid trade.
t3hcynic
Doing what you love as a job is a great way to ruin your hobbies.
jschneider4067
You must not enjoy doing your hobbies to much then
t3hcynic
On the contrary - I enjoy them because I don't have to slave away at them for someone else.
Grenther
Depends on the work environment. My office is super nice, little pressure, much freedom, nice people, work is enjoyable thus it stays fun.
t3hcynic
I will give you that - but in 20 years of working I have never found such an environment. Hence my cynicism. 1/2
t3hcynic
2/2 but I wish a long career in such surroundings.
sheldortq
well, your work can know take your "hobbies' time" since it's something you love, so...
t3hcynic
Maybe, but if it's a constant grind, hour after hour, day after day, even the best of hobbies get annoying AF.
Jayrmz
My sister has just spent 4/5 years doing a medical degree and can't find a job. She works at a trampoline fun park now
HolyOldMackinaw
Isn't there a huge demand in the medical field right now?
Jayrmz
Not in Leicestershire apparently no
kholli
Problem is for a lot of those jobs they only want to hire part time or casual. Not everyone can afford to leave a full time job /1
kholli
even if it's low paying and not in their field, to work part time at entry level pay. I went to school with a couple people that went /2
kholli
back to their old crappy jobs b/c of this very reason.
Fusaki007
Major in biology, minor in chemistry, and running a drive thru and gas station... At least I like my job.
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Fusaki007
Not that bad. Making about 55k a year so far. Entry level positions in larger cities would have started me out at 28k to 34k a year.
gtmiller
Bio, working as a Pharm tech. I feel you man.
fluhatinrapper
Bought designer clothes with student loans....
heavypettingzoo
OMG! Thank you! Student loan debt would be a lot less for these yoots if the money actually went towards school.
JohnnyDeformed
Lol how???
fluhatinrapper
They are called refund checks. Most students with financial aid get them. Most abuse them because they are not educated on them enough.
JerfyMcGriddles
Or if they are hiring, it's only in major population centers and well you probably don't already live there do you? Local candidates only!
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JerfyMcGriddles
Oh honey I've been out of college for 5 years and that's all I get. I think I may have had like 2 or 3 interviews, all way out of town.
LonelyBrannigan
Had a company not even entertain a phone interview for the next metropolis over.
JerfyMcGriddles
I had a phone interview for San Fran a year ago, I live in Buffalo. Little miffed I didn't get that one, really loved SF when I visited.
PamelaSplooshPoovey
As a Seattleite, ohhhhh if only :(
JerfyMcGriddles
Hahaha Seattle's not a real city it's like Buffalo, people live here but there's no jobs.
GrandmaSlappy
Ok here's the deal. I'm hiring designers. There's too many of you, & you all suck at what you do even for beginners.
generationsai
There are a lot of shit designers out there, I went through 130 applicants and only about 10 had solid portfolios when I was hiring help.
tonightisanightfordrinking
It's fucking poop. 9 months of applications does a number on your psyche.
tonightisanightfordrinking
I have a degree in digital media comm with focus on strategic Comm and the ability to use most Adobe, understand analytics, and no job
Grenther
Well collect stats and analyse them, see where the problem lies and fix it strategically with communication and some digital media.
GrandmaSlappy
Hmm - Do as much as you can for fun and freelance so your skill level is easily demonstrable & don't be scared of an entry wage
tonightisanightfordrinking
Definitely not afraid of entry wage. I've done some freelance for my buddies in the band Darkness Divided including album concept art.
tonightisanightfordrinking
I have built a website in WordPress and a shitty one from scratch in DW. Won an addy. Still not good enough for entry level job.
Grenther
You might want to either learn proper web development, not only design. Or move to a different field in design. It's hard to get a job 1/2
Grenther
in it if you're not also to a certain degree a front end developer nowadays. (Software engineers have a much easier time) 2/2
GrandmaSlappy
A lot of people can have one really nice passible thing but still show an inability to consistently work good layout and branding.
GrandmaSlappy
Dream weaver skills are almost a detriment to see on a resume. It says "I don't know how to code but I tried" so I mean not bad but not good
tonightisanightfordrinking
I'm just making the point that I've seen different sides of web dev, so I can communicate better with devs and designers along with clients
mathnerddd505
Lost job, became DISHWASHER, lost that job after approved for two week Christmas vacation, CAN DO PHYSICS.
quickhand
Studied physics. Became journalist. Now making six figures. Life makes no sense.
Fadedsun
I worked at Target for a short spell. One of the team leads had his phd in physics from Caltech.
Amscolie
Masters in Forensic science here, working at home depot teaching how to lay tile and customer service for a health insurance company
jacksonville22
Everyone does Physics
BrittaIsTheWorst
Ummm... what do you mean by physics?
Goldcart
See me not flying? And not setting my nemeses ablaze with my gaze alone? That's me, doing physics.
TheBeardedDragon
Seems like there's quite a few physicists in this thread; is there any advice any of you could give to someone starting uni next year?
ArdentSlacker
My advice would be to get advice from successful physicists.
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ArdentSlacker
You really need both to determine if there's differences. Like if 89% of successful candidates had great blackmail material...
diordroid
C's get degrees, and the C's don't matter as long as you do research. I got accepted into grad school before they even got my grades.
diordroid
I ended up with a great internship in between undergrad and grad school. Find the person with the most connections(read: lots of $ & papers)
NahYouDontKnow
My advice would be to take some CS courses (maybe do a minor). Being able to code well will help with a lot of grad level stuff if you go...
NahYouDontKnow
That route. And if not, you're likely to end up working in tech. Source: have Physics BS/Chem minor, am doing software development
TheBeardedDragon
Thanks, I'm hoping to carry on to a 4-year MSci (and hopefully beyond) so I really appreciate the advice!
mostlykitties
Drink and have fun, but be sure you go to each of your classes and work hard to. Just because you don't have to doesn't mean you shouldn't.
DamnIshouldreallybestudyingrightnow
Have the habit of studying at least 4-6 hours a day, srsly. And if you want into academia start working on it asap rather than putting off.
TheBeardedDragon
2) I have to be more independent now, it definitely instilled a dedicated work ethic
TheBeardedDragon
Yeah, I'm trying to get ~4 hrs in each night in preparation for my A Levels. My high school had a great revising timetable and although 1)
TheBeardedDragon
*revision
TheBeardedDragon
You can tell I haven't taken an English class in a while haha
LumberManDan
Bull. Shit. I'm living proof you can live the dream. Quit office work @ 36 to be a cabinetmakers apprentice. Fuckin love it.
Tkeleth
How did you get started in something like that at 36? I'm 33, I feel like I'm stuck in factory work forever. :/
VoidIncarnate
Is that you Jesus?
LumberManDan
I ain't leading anyone anywhere
STOVETOASTER
I'm the guy in the photo. I lol every time this gets reposted. AMA.
potatoesupmyass
STOVETOASTER
Cool. Love that movie.
Keekenox
Do you always wear a hoodie over a button up?
STOVETOASTER
Actually wearing that same hoodie today. I need new clothes.
secretlibby
You model for stock photographers?
STOVETOASTER
I started the site with a friend. It was easier to model ourselves than get photo releases.
ChampionCynthia
What watch are you wearing?
STOVETOASTER
I think it's a Breda, got it from jack threads.
knifeskills
Are you working?
STOVETOASTER
Yep, I'm a web developer
knifeskills
Looks like the only thing you're "developing" there is an indoor tan.
STOVETOASTER
Yes, my lifeguard days are behind me, unfortunately.
Executor32
You don't look like a stove or a toaster. Why did you lie on your Imgur application and take advantage of our appliance-friendly atmosphere?
STOVETOASTER
My secret is out: alas, I am but a lowly human on a never-ending quest to up our Google Page rank on http://startupstockphotos.com/
eggnun
Are you as much of a pretentious hipster twat as the photo makes you appear to be?
STOVETOASTER
Yes, thank you. Very kind.
JohnnyDeformed
May I have sex with your wife?
STOVETOASTER
Girlfriend. She says no.
JerfyMcGriddles
Hey get in line pal
JohnnyDeformed
That's what I am trying to do. ;)
DrFeynman
For a moment I thought STOVETOASTER said that. Would have been gold.
cyno01
Good way to wind up hating your hobby.
TeamRocketHR
Multiple hobbies for multiple incomes?
tylerosaurus
every hobby I've ever done that I started relying on for money, I wound up hating
governmentgavemeagun
I still love motorcycling. I just hate talking about it to motorcycling people. But now I've worked elsewhere for years, hate is fading.
JerfyMcGriddles
Can't hate your hobby if you can't get any clients /rollsafe
elevatoraroma
I have no problem finding work, because I have no problem cleaning toilets to scrape by. It's finding a career that's hard.
Paintmanusa
12 thumbs up.
twofishtails
Why not stick with cleaning toilets? At my company, they even give you a brush after 5 years!
Mikeiller
There's nothing wrong with cleaning toilets, digging ditches, or flipping burgers. It's honest work.
JohnnyDeformed
Don't think he/she said it was. The point is that it isn't a career, and college grads want a career. Instead, they must settle for any job.
johnvictor
Exactly. They're not diminishing manual labor, but those jobs only carry you through life so long. Careers evolve with your age.
Japples99
Start your own cleaning company. Start it as a side gig. With enough clients, you hire a few people and know that you made your own career.
INameMyPetsAfterRedvsBlueCharacters
Not everyone wants to own a business.
bed1am6666
Step 2) Profit?
Negnarholf
Fair, but that doesn't mean it isn't an option. People pass by so many opportunities because they want something very specific.
jaminjimmyjames
Step 1) have enough capital to start your own business.
Lukapaka
Step 1) have a skill someone will pay you for.
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JapAnus
The guys who owns WM (all those dumpsters) is super rich and he started out as a garbage man. It's like that king of the hill quote: (1/2)
JapAnus
Find something no one else wants to do but needs and do it
NikonPunch
I like how people downvote you for being successful.
Johnthebadger
Hate us cause they anus
Durtschi
Skilled manual labor (electrician, plumber, contractor etc) is in high demand both in the US and internationally. I know someone making 90k
Negnarholf
You'll always have a job with a Journeyman license, especially in plumbing or electrical work. We'll always need more of them.
Durtschi
After 1 years experience and doing a 18 month program.
buttnugget99
Any chance you can PM me the program info? Going through a career change right now and could use some direction.
Durtschi
I can ask. I'm a counselor (not making 90k right now but very impactful work) My understanding is any good program would work.
ryantheronin
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orangeisthenewbasic
you want to know how many more nutritionist majors there are in this country than engineering majors?
Roger8086
Do you know just how many fields you can go into with an engineering major? oO
Roger8086
I'll admit, we engineers -- both hard {physical} and soft {design/software} -- have a wide variety of jobs we can excel at.
orangeisthenewbasic
yea i work in finance we have a ton of you guys
Roger8086
Weirdly enough, you know who I also see there? Master's in Music. Heck, I've been loaned to finance a few times to develop systems for.
Roger8086
You folks are pretty mellow and nice from my experience. I really enjoyed developing for you folks. Also, your parties are WICKED!!! @_@
orangeisthenewbasic
its pretty ironic with the glut of nutritionist majors we're still such an out of shape country
RedDwarfIV
Because the qualified term is "dietician". A "nutritionist" can claim any old bunk is healthy. Read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science.
RedDwarfIV
Because the qualified term is "dietician". A "nutritionist" can claim any old bunk is healthy. Read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science.
CrowbarJones
My company is hiring like crazy... just depends on the industry. Make your choices accordingly.
spectralent
5-8 years out? You need the right college choices to get the right degrees, so you're really deciding as a teenager what the best prospect-
spectralent
is going to be in half a decade. I wouldn't be comfortable making that decision now, let alone as a teen.
Tkeleth
Yeah, this, plus I got pressured into going to college, no idea what I wanted to do in life. Ended up dropping out because nothing fit, (1
Tkeleth
so I got student loan debt with no reward for it lol. Almost have them paid off, 10~ years later. Factory work, yayyyyyy. (2
CaptainRedHat
Same. I work in IT. At one point my company was trying to hire so many people that our HR department couldn't keep up.
ThanhLe9994
You mind if I ask what is your company? Don't mind me, just a desperate out of college kid
CaptainRedHat
Centene Corporation. A lot of teams are still hiring. http://www.centene.com/careers/technology-jobs/
uvwaex
Industry?
CrowbarJones
I work in Electric Transmission Line engineering, specifically Geospatial
SoundFuture
Sweet. I'm your study and industrial power engineer professional cousin. Business is booming for us too.
HumfreeBugart
McDonald's or KFC?
CrowbarJones
Nah engineering, Geospatial specifically
EngineeringComedy
And we make so much money.
shocky377
Everyone and their grandma are tying to become engineers now
Deanscream
Everyone told me to go into IT, now I can't find a job anywhere within a reasonable driving distance.
GrandmaSlappy
Move.
MaybeIshouldChangeMyNameMaybeNot
Moved to DC to find a good job. But of a busy life style, but it gets your foot in with experience.
JohnSmith4938
within a reasonable driving distance?! I moved to another continent ¬¬
gendeates
I got an IT job but by the skin of the teet! Only a couple of months after college. more like long ass months and living at my parents house
gendeates
The point, i was the only one in the whole city qualified because the co. is in the south. All higher IT in the north.
gendeates
It comes down to being in the right place at the right time. with the right circumstances.
sykoticflaw
Raleigh/Triangle area is -exploding- with IT jobs. I'm already negotiating with 3 separate companies over which job I'd like best.
veryhuman
If you are able, you should be willing to relocate. It's a part of life to move around for jobs and it's easiest when you're young.
Roger8086
As in you have a Bachelor's of Science in Information Technology? Or a certificate from a junior college? Or got eaten by Devry?
ThanhLe9994
I about to earn my Bachelor of Computers Information Systems this December. I'm scared now, send halp
Grenther
What exactly is CIS? Is it like Software & Information Engineering? Cuz in that case it'll be fairly easy to get a job.
aeonicentity
Dude, move. Get onto a city, get some experience, then consult from home.
brasskneecap
I just skipped straight to the consulting from home. A lot of jobs have their IT / Developers work from home now a days.
JunkGrave
Exactly what I did - I make a fantastic living coding from home now.
FlurfMcGurf
Same here, cheers!
ahleron
That's because everybody told everybody else to go into IT. Never go with the trend. You'll end up in a flooded market.
Grenther
Well you're wrong. There's a really high demand for professionals in IT. It doesn't seem to be reaching the break-even point for a long time
ahleron
Nope. Not wrong. You've just misinterpreted what IV was saying.
Fadedtico
I did it because we my city was bad for IT. Relocated to Colorado to work at VMware. Love working here. PM if you're interested, I can refer
Qumefox
Woo. I plan on moving to the Denver area sometime this summer as soon as I finish getting my shit together.
Qumefox
Because TN sucks balls.
bigfloppydonkydong
IT is extremely saturated job market .. and there is a big push to outsource to India.
mesach
There used to be. I can find jobs all day long if you have the right skill set. Certain jobs in IT they don't want outsourced, find those.
blackoutdigital
Jobs are everywhere, you just need to know where to find them. I've been in the industry for ten years and get offers all the time
chasingradio
There is a massive vacuum in IT security personnel.
theyar
This. People make six figures after 1 - 2 years of experience, and that's in a lower cost market.
Grenther
There's a massive need for people in pretty much every field within IT
SurprisedHillary
No-one told me to go into IT, now I find jobs everywhere I go. Seems like we are two opposites but how can you possibly have problems?
Grenther
Getting at least 3 job offers a month. Already having a job + doing uni. Yep that's IT.
Daynaj
The IT friends I have adopted the "move every few years for your job" lifestyle. They make good money but it's hard if you have a family
mesach
It's hard if you have KIDS. I have family (wife and I) and we move easily, helps that she doesn't have to work.
Opportunist
As a military brat, it's not that hard. It builds resilience and appreciation for new cultures.
Daynaj
I moved a lot as well as a kid, just a lot more to consider. SO also has to relocate job, kids change schools, etc. Not like being single.
JunkGrave
Here, here. I loved moving every few years as a kid, and so did my siblings
mesach
Agreed, everyone needs to move/travel more.
DEHUC
Look at Mike Row speeches very enlightening...
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
Mike Rowe speeches oversimplify everything, he's like a talking bumpersticker. Sounds right but so much is lost in the details not included
DizzyNosferatu
Higher education isn't for everyone, but the folks most enthused about his message too often write off the concept of college altogether
coyw0lf
Mike Rowe has contracts with for-profit colleges, got a comm. degree and sang opera after college. He's a flaming giant hypocrite.
DeckhandAdmiral
There is nothing wrong with a for profit college.
coyw0lf
Nothing's wrong with communications or opera unless you're telling those who came after you they're bad after you benefited from them
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
Plus, he's just a smug asshole.
TheDudeElDuderino
The trades are where it's at! Welding is hella fun.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> i.e. how many 65yo welders do you know?
LumberManDan
I know 3. Why?
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
ok then. at least in some professions, people drop out earlier because they get a bad back or something along those lines.
TheGreatAnhey
I'm going for welding and applying for a plumbing apprenticeship
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
trades are also great for contracting work-related health issues and dropping out prematurely because your body can't keep up anymore ... >
TheDudeElDuderino
Alright, it's not for everyone but there's still a need and a value and somebody has to do it.
potatomajor
I've got a lot of respect for Mike Rowe, but when I looked at going to school for the trade I was/am interested in 1/2
SpencerAssiff
Where...where's the 2?
potatomajor
Impatient aren't we.
potatomajor
it was a two year certificate program with 4 years of apprenticeship and about 3 times what my private college tuition came out to be 2/3
potatomajor
with little to no scholarships or federal aid available. Not everyone can be an hvac tech or an IT guy/girl to make a living.
Ridicrule
I own an HVAC company, you can get started at $15+ an hr, with no experience. I had no HVAC schooling, I apprenticed and studied, $0 debt.
potatomajor
*see rest of rant* but I wasn't interested in HVAC and to be profitable in that field (cabinetry/lutherie) I needed that schooling
DeckhandAdmiral
Dont burst their delicate bubble. They might break from the flood of common sense.
berrrypickerasfuck
Meh, I went to tech school for a year. Cost me 28k now I'm 25 work for Porsche and only have about 7k left to pay back. Not a bad deal.
potatomajor
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I could've been a mechanic like everyone else in the family, but I'm happier with an art degree
potatomajor
and a job as a photographer.
Jokesterwild
Not all trades require an actual school. I'm a ticketed blaster. Mostly hands on working with a ticketed experienced blaster
Paintmanusa
Yes. Own a union Painting Co., outside of Chicago. Make Dr. $.
houtaku
Jokesterwild
Blow up rock. Proper like.
Leithoa
https://hugelolcdn.com/i/110232.png
Fusaki007
Or they want 5 years of experience for an entry level position.
mediaman73
Or an MBA/PhD, and don't care if you have 15 years of experience.
OriginaIPoster
4 Years in the Field of Study, 1 Year Experience personal projects
worxharder
Saw a maintenance job I would be great at. Try having the experience but not having paperwork to show it.
olegh
Is this joke never getting old?
johnvictor
Entry level network technician, must have 5 years experience, proficiency in managing Cisco network devices, etc. etc. Starting wage $12hr
scuba7jb
I've seen postings for "experienced CNC turret lathe operator; minimum 5 years experience; $11.50 an hr." LOL... what a disgrace.
johnvictor
And yet our parents don't understand why it's hard to get a job, or how stupidly insane the job market is when that's what's available.
MonitorZero
5 yr exp, bachelor's, cert A, B, and C. 60 yrs of exp at 25 yrs old with the payof a 14 year old. Mostly answering lvl 1 help calls. WHAT?!
gribblet
It's all about how you position your relevant experience (even if not professional) and transferrable skills.
Roger8086
And that's how you as the person looking for a job know just how far up their own ass this company has their head, and you pass them by.
MrPredator
BAHAHAHAHA!!! No. More like 10yrs. I admit I could have tried harder to get a job, but the 2007 - 2009/2010 fuckup didn't help either.
Menkhu
Entry Level AKA WE PAY LESS FOR SAME WORK AND YOU BETTER LIKE IT!
mediaman73
I have all the years of experience, but, because I don't have a degree, I have to sneak past HR filters, even when they make no sense.
stinkytarantula
Mine requires a license and 5 years experience. Can't get work experience without a license. You know, for rocks.
imherefortheplot
Or 3+ years with at minimum a masters but doctorate prefered. Geology field is rough and the interships won't contact you unless your local.
Crambodian
Try getting a certification in GIS/remote sensing it'll make you well above other applicants in that field.
Crambodian
Also, try getting in an ESRI program and get the catalog. There are many places willing to accept bright individuals willing to learn.
imherefortheplot
I currently taking an intro AutoCAD and will be taking GIS and GPS at a local college, I don't know if I'll do a certification.
Crambodian
That's a good start though. You'd be amazed how many engineering fields will hire you just based on understanding AutoCAD. If you like 1/2
Crambodian
GIS though, after you take it, of course, definitely go for an MS in it. You're absolutely guaranteed a career at that point.
zenule
My god I just experienced this, there was a minimum wage TRAINING position for 3 montsh after which they hire, but it required you to 1/2
zenule
know perfectly every software and program that they where going to TEACH you, I swear I am not exagerating one bit. It was a position at IBM
vanella
Or requires a PhD in something totally unrelated
KillingTlme
In case you aren't sure who thank for that... https://www.amazon.com/Generation-Sociopaths-Boomers-Betrayed-America/dp/0316395781
TheDetonated
Internships dude.
BigWilldo
But some fields don't have internships which makes it even harder
TheDetonated
Which ones don't?
BigWilldo
Well I'm a music major, so there's one lol
TheDetonated
There isn't student teaching? Lol
ImgurIsOutOfUsernames
Easy answer if you are a college student. After you graduate, you can't get them.
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
I think the logic is that people fresh out of university are mostly dreamers who have no idea how the real world works and have no workethic
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
They are freshly moulded by teachers that say communism works, and that workers have rights, and everyone starts at the top.. not good ppl
TheDetonated
That's also a bogus remark. Of course you can get internships after graduation
GoliathSkittles
Not if you're too old, companies don't do that.
TheDetonated
What would you have graduated in then?
ImgurIsOutOfUsernames
Computer science
Schmedes
Also don't think you're going to get a job with double the pay just because you worked a year.People think they're worth 100k out of college
CaptainsLincolnLog
At my graduation, someone was so happy about getting a $35k/yr job he put it on his mortarboard in duct tape. Screw you.
Zasep
Lol, 35k is actually livable. I'm making less and fuuuuuck me. I can't save any of it.
Schmedes
Wut
exponant
Think you've got what they need? Apply. I got in under "company approved equivalent". Be careful of wording so you are not dishonest .
Nickedmyname
You didn't get any experience is highschool/college? This requirement, like drug tests, is to keep people too stupid work-around it out.
yamatto
Or they never actually advertise entry level positions, only senior ones.
livefreeordie1911
And 5 years and one day and you are over-qualified.
EvilMisantrophicPrincess
And you get replaced by someone fresh out of college.
BearicusMaximus
1-2 but not over 2 is the dumbest one I see lately and the only one it seems lately -_-
Helpingpeoplesometimes
Or they want 5 years of experience for a job literally ANYONE could do proper in 2 weeks to 2 months.
Zasep
What they mean is that they want to pay you entry level... assholes.
temporarytattoo
Found a social media entry level position calling for 5-7 years experience.. 7 years ago I was 14
DefinitelyNotHavingAMeltdown
They are looking for someone to update their MySpace account.
samebruh
PlaneMan
Music ed major, by far the best teacher we have is filling in for a position that he didnt get because he only has 2 years in public school
PlaneMan
2 while we have bat shit insane professors that are dated and teach nonsense. Mr fillin is gonna leave soon and get hired somewhere better
shotzie
Then the 8 years of experience I got the ......"over qualified"
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
There's no such thing as overqualified, its code for 'you asked for too much pay'
thepatioheater
A trainee role looked good for me. Had everything other than one years experience, after such time I imagine you wouldn't need training...
thepatioheater
I hate job hunting. It just ruins my day.
talel81
You need experience to get the job. How do you get experience? Get this job. But how do you get the job? With experience.
CallMeRif
Internships?
jacobbailey98
Internships are okay except I'll be evicted from my apartment and eating ramen on the street from not having a paycheck
PamelaSplooshPoovey
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/12/07
talel81
Exactly.
GeneralTarquin
Exactly.
ermahgerdspooderman
Get a job in the org. at a lower level or in a different field. Once you are in the organisation you are an Internal candidate and a known\1
ermahgerdspooderman
Entity. This is favorable with employers. They can also see if you are the right fit for the team. I speak from experience, it works.
Drogothedestroyerkitty
Use classes, hobbies, that one random side job, it all counts
GoliathSkittles
No, classes and hobbies don't count, not for anything in the industries I've been in at least.
Drogothedestroyerkitty
In engineering in a specific field it's not the degree that makes you qualified, it's what you've done beyond the degree.
lightningboltkid1
This needs to be more visible because it's exactly what it means and anyone who doesn't know that can't do a resume.
ronin1869
Sometimes that bullshit is the fault of people writing up the job description/HR. They don't always know better and list 1/?
ronin1869
unrealistic qualifications. When I started designing mobile apps they asked for 3 years experience with iOS. The iPhone OS had only been 2/?
ronin1869
been out for a year. Whenever I hire now, I insist on seeing all the résumés so qualified people don't get overlooked.
usedpatiofurniture
5 years experience using 2 year old software.
Roger8086
Don't get that confused with 5 years experience with Software X, whose latest version is two years old. Like Visual Studio, or Photoshop.
usedpatiofurniture
More in reference to development Frameworks/libraries. So many new ones come out that its hard to keep up lol
Roger8086
Heh. And then there are the ones that are STILL around. C and BASIC still live, and I've been programming in 'em since I was four years old.
untrustable
Hahaha I remember these job postings when SWIFT was just released!
def11111111
And this ladies and gents is why you go into the skilled labor market: welders, plumbers, and electricians are in high demand in the US
CaptainsLincolnLog
If employers understood the concept of "supply and demand" (where restricted supply drives up prices) they wouldn't have such a hard time.
down2konker
haha I lift my my skilled labor(welder) job for IT job because of low pay but there is a demand , but pays $15 or less , no thanks
def11111111
Labor market sucks where you live... Move.
drfarren
Big problem is all the people who have entered the job market in the last 10 years have been raised to think that trades mean (1/x)
drfarren
that you've failed in life and they you have to have at least a BA or else you'll never have a job and with the glut of people looking (2/x)
drfarren
for work, companies can take the best and pay the least and you have to deal with it b/c what are you going to do? there's no jobs out (3/x)
drfarren
there for you to change to. Younger people aren't asking for the world, they ask for fair pay to education/exp as commensurate to (4/x)
NotMyUsualOnlineName
This. "Entry level game developer. Minimum 5 years experience and your name credited on 4 published games." That's not entry level, dicks.
MMG007
My favorite is the 3 shipped titles as that role for an associate!
Catcatcatcarcat
I never understood when we get internship opportunities via emails for UNDERGRAD and they want 4 years of experience in .
seekingdaedalus
Don't do game design... you can use the same software dev skills and make SO much more money elsewhere (and work a lot fewer hours)
SexyClaptrap
But then they can call it that and pay you less
Rawcal
Try smaller studios like indies and such. Entry in AAA is whole different thing than entry on indie.
Sandyundertones
They just want to pay entry level not actually hire someone who is entry level.
Jafit
"entry level" refers to the pay, not the skillset.
imthatguyhere
It's been 3 almost 4 years of the exact same issue. I have 2 years experience and the shooling requirements and everyone wanted 5.
FriscoeHotsauce
If you want to do video games, get a degree in software/computer engineering or Computer science, NOT game design, those "degrees" suck.
JohnnyDeformed
Learned that the hard way. :/
FriscoeHotsauce
You'll also be hirable in other (well paying) positions while you build your resume. Industry exp. doesn't necessarily mean game industry.
FriscoeHotsauce
And most universities that offer them are praying on students. There is so much code in video games, studios need programmers not designers.
JohnnyDeformed
Worked in the game industry,disagree. Programmers are more numerous and their skills are more transferable. But designers are still needed.
domenick91
AAA titles. I've been looking in the game industry for a while
SweatyNuN
Because being a game dev is a relatively high level programming job at entry level? Go for less demanding programming jobs first?
metagalactic
The catch is other programming jobs aren't going to make you more relevant for a game dev job. AI in a C++ engine != enterprise Java apps.
SweatyNuN
Fair point but even so it proves your conceptual knowledge and professional knowledge is at a greater level than just a degree.
SweatyNuN
There are still things you can learn from other jobs such as design patterns and oop and in general just solidifying basic programming skill
JamesCoyle
Game development is no different from any other form of programming. Both should employ the exact same methodology.
SweatyNuN
I'm sorry but it isn't. Game development is far more demanding on knowledge and skill over say web development or app development.
untrustable
Agreed. It's also more desired so they can pay less. A lot of people would rather be working on a game than a boring app or website.
CommentingAccount
Except there's probably a line around the block of applicants for game development
JamesCoyle
That's exactly why I switched away from the computer science game development course at uni after my first year. 90% of CS is on it...
untrustable
School counts as experience and you should consider internships if you didn't do them while in school.
phe0n1x
Went to a Chevron career fair. Was not let in because "2.5 years of internships doesn't count as experience". Damn HR idiots.
PamelaSplooshPoovey
But if you're too old (i.e. Older than about 23), you can kiss the idea of an internship goodbye.
ZerofaithX263
Engineer here that sometimes interviews candidates, no place I've worked at counts school as experience.
drfarren
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! School is experience, that's cute.
JohnnyDeformed
Interships in the game industry are rare, and only available to current students. If you graduate you don't qualify.
6thDegreeKevinBacon
The HR at the healthcare company I was with previously counted 4 years of college as 1 year or experience. I am in my 15th year in IT 1/2
6thDegreeKevinBacon
2/2 Without a college degree. I made at least 44k before overtime and on call at that company.
6thDegreeKevinBacon
Sorry that was an auto correct error. That should read 1 year of experience.
FarmerFrance
It's nearly impossible to succeed if you don't have a job/internship in your field before you graduate
untrustable
I mean I have friends who had rent etc paid for and never interned. They have decent jobs. Are they the top 10%? Definitely not.
untrustable
The crying on Imgur gets old when people expect to be given everything. Makes our generation have that typical lazy stereotype. ????
Skizzlesnap
Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.
FarmerFrance
Why I said nearly.
Skizzlesnap
That's right boys and girls. Work hard, stay in school and graduate then work for free.
BrawndoTheThirstMutilatorIsWhatPlantsCrave
Our engineering internships at uofc (Calgary, alberta) are paid
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Internship while in school. Gets you noticed* (or abused)
CallMeRif
I study at a vocational highschool. Can confirm. I think there is a relation between school rep and internship abuse.
cmdrmander
Every internship I have had and my good friends have paid at least $15 an hour bro. Jobs are out there you just have to look.
Skizzlesnap
Shit I have a full time job that pays good I'm not taking an internship. I'm not looking for anything.
TheGuy346
I'm making $21/hour at my internship this summer and they're paying for my apartment while I'm there.
PrinceMaggot
You are lucky, then
Trexel
I made $19 an hour as a summer intern in school and that was low amongst my friends. Most good internships pay well.
Trexel
And that was not including that they put you up in an apartment for free for the summer too. Just keep looking, they are out there if
untrustable
Most engineering internships are paid in the US. A lot of internships were paid at my school that were non-engineering too.
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untrustable
Plus if you made connections people were always looking for interns, basically a future employee, that they could train at a discount.
ThaiMaiShu
I feel like this is the same with most schools but people expect them to be provided rather than actively trying to get them
Beelsebooob
As someone who hires engineers - no... School does not count as experience, and an internship is 6 months of experience, not 5 years. 1/
Beelsebooob
that kind of job advert is the most dickish of the dick. It's saying "we want a senior engineer, and we'll pay them like a junior" 2/2
sccoootttt
As an engineer, if I were actively looking for work, I would hope to work for someone who uses the phrase "dickish of the dick".
untrustable
I have a friend who has been in HR for hiring EEs and she would disagree, but they actively look at internships etc to differentiate you.
PyritePendulum
Apply anyway. Trust in your resume and hope for a bit of luck
Dionysus187
I just started lying my ass off within the limits of my bullshitting skills once I figured out that's what almost everyone is doing.
PyritePendulum
I wouldn't lie. Just make sure you fill your resume with the key aspects of what they're looking for (especially words that algorithms pick)
thepatioheater
That's my mentality. You know you're gonna get a no anyway so what's the harm in trying?
UsernameNotTakenYet
A no? Hahaha, look at this guy, thinking he'll even get a response.
thepatioheater
When I say a no I just meant they'll never look at it. I've applied for hundreds of jobs, only a handful replied, even fewer said yes.
generationsai
A lot of HR ppl post the job listings and don't know the exact inside outs of the position. Just apply anyways, it's ALL about your in-perso
generationsai
-n interview skills and if you are the right fit for the team (granted you have the basic knowledge to complete your job)
SadToSay
I wish I could give this more than one upvote. This is the case very often.
generationsai
Yes, and I have to say... it's sad to say.
Xendrash
My resume says I got a bachelors in science that's it. No previous work experience. I am fucked.
untrustable
No volunteering, personal projects, or anything? You need to network then and hope for the best. Who you know is a foot in the door always!
Crambodian
Not always true man, my resume was a bs and a ms with no experience except working at a car wash for 10 years. You really have to pull 1/2
Crambodian
Some skills or experiences you've learned throughout life and word them in a way that makes them juicy. Keep applying man, you got this!
PyritePendulum
Put your Imgur noteriety and say you're a social media expert
Xendrash
have you looked at my imgur lvl? im bottom of the barrel here.
PyritePendulum
lol hey we all start at the same place. Comment farming is a noble path. We all can't be Lassann or Photoshopped MichaelCera