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wowbaggerthethird
yea, that's the impression when you get your "news" from social networks, you moron.
storebrandproductmascot
This is the same media that tells you corporate Dems are honest and leftist Dems are ridiculous, so, I mean, do the math.
BetterKnownAsJasonDarket
How, then, should we stop it?
Munchman347
So, who owns the 'news'?
BillDoubleu
If people organized and cooperated, we could change the world.
HackerJacker
liar
BigguySteve
Well that’s because the first is more impressive unfortunatly
Varenvel
thats becouse rich own the media:)
thedysentery
There are many stories about the 4.5 m in wage theft, including this article caling it out: https://popular.info/p/a-tale-of-two-thefts
i seen same case when content creators were exposing cheater problem in warthunder , company just sent cease and desist notices and DMCA.
gnomedeplume
just remember if you see someone shoplifting, no you didn't
Drix1942
unluckyandbored
The news media is now a tool of the ruling class to keep us angry and subjugated.
d3ltabrav00
They lock up their laundry soap, I don't know why but it bothers me so much. There is a $30 box of allergy pills in the next isle...
...if someone needs laundry soap that bad, write if off on insurance ?
cheeseplate1971
They see it as a feature not a bug?
typhoongrande
One is unusual, the other happens all the time.
rshewmaker6
What did she steal? Shampoo and conditioner
TaxiGhoul
Corporations are people, like estranged, successful family members. Their greedy behavior supports a lifestyle of convenience for customers.
idontknowyoufromadam
Seems to have been largely true at the time of the story referenced. https://popular.info/p/a-tale-of-two-thefts
clonedeeznuts
That’s because corporations are people until they do something bad, then they’re untouchable
JayEnfield
iChase79
You mean the company that pays millions advertising each year got no negative coverage? Shocker! I would not tank a paying client either.
RideTheStimutacs
I challenged my old employer who tried to say that 2 hours out for my dentist appt was one of my sick days. I worked that day. Overtime.
eiyuu99
Capitalism rewards the better thief and supports the greedy.
applesforjuice
I goolgled "Walgreens 4.5 million" and I gave up counting the number of news articles. It was more than one though. More than 10.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
You had to Google it though. We were inundated with the theft stories.
EmsTekTube
It’s almost like these people blemish the facts to get a ruse out of people
Skizzlesnap
“But I only saw one after not searching so that’s what I’m posting” - this self important asshat
chloramphenicolderivative
and the 950$ wasn't about one instance of theft, it was about so much theft that walgreens were closing several locations in SF.
theonetruezuul
https://qz.com/2077384/why-is-walgreens-really-closing-its-stores-in-san-francisco/
MechKelly
To be fair, $950 worth of stuff from Walgreens is pretty impressive.
keyblader1985
Unless it's pharmaceuticals, in which case it's like a pocketful
METROlD
Back in the 90s I stole a chainsaw the day after Xmas. Came back 20 minutes later and asked to return it without a recipient. It worked!
samanthadlcruz
ran out without paying for his weeks supply of insulin.
Ark161
ooof
KyleButNotThatKyle
So sick of this "media bad" BS meme.
Nalianna
read it again, it's a "corporate theft is bad" meme.
It's a meme condemning "the media" with made up data about "309 stories" vs. "1 single story".
Bwamsandi
stop bitching about the media imgur, it works for the rich.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
...yeah? That's what they're bitching about.
how else would the story have ever been reported? honestly that the rich get away with it just makes americans look weak.
Youhavinagiraffe
"this thing is bad... therefore you should not complain about it" ...what?
no, its more like stop with all the bitching and moaning unless you intend to do something about it. even /funny isn't funny anymore.
this place used to be funny, used to be cool. now its just political bitching and moaning from the united states.
MeowMachine12
So go to a different site. Imgur will never be catered to you, the content is driven by the users. I know the collapse of the US isn't
convenient for anyone but whining about will absolutely not help. Find a different corner of the internet to live in.
I should clarify, it will result in it because its all wind without action. I'm not saying be a vigilante but have you punched a nazi today?
oh I spend quite a bit of time everywhere online, that's how I know all this complaining is going to result in a fascist state at some point
If there's 1 guaranteed way to beat fascism it's pay less attention and let them get on with it. "Democracy dies in the light" as they say
ok so note to self, don't remind idiot americans everything they see and hear is owned by the rich. pity no ones got a guillotine eh?
MyNameIsntChris
Love it when users like you assume why they got downvoted and have to reply to themselves to make them feel better
Honestly the fact that the american people haven't torn their oligarchs to bloody ribbons yet is beyond me but hey, you people do you.
Feel better oh no, its more to show derision dear imgurian. I care not for the down votes I want to see how foolish the people of imgur are
You're SO sick of political posts you're going to waste time seeing how "foolish" we are on said posts? That makes you the fool.
we are all of us fools. thinking our words have weight while the richest in the world dance in the flames of our worlds end. have some fun.
iamdanman
We need to topple this fucking oligarchy already
whatmakesushuman
Kleptocracy.
MADchemEE
NonstopRampage
I'll be honest. All we need is a live feed of us literally eating ONE of these rich cocksuckers. The rest are a bunch of spineless clowns.
eathotdog
Nah you'll just keep shitposting on social media
They’d send goons
Jetda
The security and contractors they can afford are not however
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
I’ll be honest, no one will do such a thing.
Elon Musk
xenathewarriorprincesswashot
How bout we stopped supporting oligarchs for personal benefits instead?
werrywerry
Some, like ex prez for example, would literally feed you their children to save themselves. But they would never give up their clout.
GerhardRammelhausen
I want a cut from the neck or back, those muscles probably didn't work a single day.
This is a great comment, lol. What’s with the downvotes!?
"lol he's being an internet tough guy"
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Honestly I bet they would all just buy better security and assume they were too good for it to happen to them
ArdentSlacker
That's just inviting armed employees in, and paying them well, to keep out other employees who aren't paid well.
Most armed security usually aren't paid great either.
My fave? A converted missile silo base (with a stupid POOL on the bottom level) being shown off in a video. Inadequate hydroponics, etc 1+
lildumptruck
Imgur couch warriors gonna do something!? No. Absolutely not. These dweebs suggesting to eat them. Sure.
Actually, I'd say you're right about that one.
I’ve done my part politically, democracy is too fuckin slow. We don’t even have a democracy anymore
Sorry to burst your bubble, bubbles. But we do have a democracy. You are feeling the intangible draw of doom-saying. But you are forgiven
Every generation for all time believes they live in the end times. We might be though lol
Eridianne
Do your civic duty and steal at least one thing whenever you shop big box
Danceswithcanines
This is my standard W***Mart plan: go in, buy a bunch of crap, return it all the next day.That way you hurt W while creating employee hours
Chloesaurus
LiterallyLordSatan
I'm not going to prison over a corporate store getting butthurt.
Jeez just scam the self checkout, don't try to walk out with a TV under your shirt
dsw5067
Yea, I swap tags routinely. Paying $20 for that $60 shirt is a sick discount!
TK421isAFK
Not my fault they hired a shitty cashier and refused to pay him. You need to hire a better cashier than me, and fuckin' pay me.
LupusMalevolens
The self checkout thing here has a scale. If you put an unscanned item or scan a different one, it freezes
Most of those have been disabled or removed because they take up too much employee time when an item mis-weighs.
sambaah05
Yeah, no. https://sports.yahoo.com/criminal-defense-attorney-explains-why-170210360.html
Alternate link: https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-walmart-self-checkout-shoppers-cited-and-sent-to-court-for-mistakes
eggmuffin
That is horrifying...
Cool take me and everyone who uses a self check to the fuckin judge ahahaha -- is there an emote equivalent to the jerking off motion?
Being sentenced is not the problem. It won't happen. Having to take money and time out of your life to deal with the charge is the problem.
That's a shitty link full of auto-loading videos, and AdBlock worked overtime on over 100 elements. Yahoo Sports, really? Are they slow? 1/2
Side note: Carrie Jerrnigan is a self-righteous piece of shit that pushes her religious and right-wing political agenda as if it's 2/3
Here you go: https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-walmart-self-checkout-shoppers-cited-and-sent-to-court-for-mistakes . Understand
paulwall117350
The reason they don't want to investigate wage theft is because capitalism depends on it. Profit is created when the worker isn't paid the
NeedHelpwithresume89
That's just not true buddy
rbudrick
I disagree entirely that it couldnt exist without it. They absolutely could pay a decent wage. They just don't.
Colopty
Depends on whether you include value generation under "profit" or just define it as capital shifting.
Thephedora
They're not doing effectively business models then.
YoSamiteSam
They are actually stealing the entire value of labor, and then deciding how much they stole based on the fraction for that they agreed to.
Gorzine
This is so false. My father owned a plumming company (45 people total) everyone was paied 30% or more above the medium salary for the job1/2
And he still made excellent profits reinvested in the company to make work more enjohable and made more than a decent salary. 2/3
Corruption and greed is what's happening. 3/3
AntiquesRoadShow420AppraiseIt
Capitalism doesn't _depend_ on it, but capitalism DOES *reward* it.
InconspicuousLampshade
I love the variety of ways you're showing emphasis here.
Username62611
By communist standards, *all* profit is wage theft. Though this is wage theft even by capitalist standards.
putcleverusernamehere
Completely wrong. Wage theft is when a company does not pay a worker as agreed, and lies or cheats to do so, an actual crime.
The clothes you wear and the food you eat depends on capitalism. The issue is *unregulated* capitalism
Snapeworts
It depends on production. Capitalism is just a form of governance over production. We could still have things without being exploited.
I agree, and it would still be capitalism, but regulated
Capitalism's selling point is laissez Faire methodology though. Once you relate it, it's no longer capitalism, it starts becoming more
ProppaGanda
If it were a crime why nobody gets criminal persecution for it?
spacecowboyein
I don't know about it being criminal, but there are hefty civil penalties that can pierce the veil.
Because it's generally done in ways to avoid detection, plus it's typically one worker's complaint against a team of lawyers
Literally nowhere in the US can anybody ever be personally persecuted for, for example, overtime violations.
It literally is not a crime. Nobody takes any responsibility for it. If they get caught they just need to pay slightly more. And the money
Trelfar
https://www.epi.org/publication/fighting-workplace-abuses-criminal-prosecutions-of-wage-theft-and-other-employer-crimes-against-workers/
I'm not saying it isn't regulated and prosecuted correctly. I'm just saying overtime violations to use your example is theft, not capitalism
full value of the product that they've created. The excess is kept by the bosses as profit. Capitalism can't function without wage theft.
cheddarhat
They created it, but the boss sourced and paid for the equipment, the raw materials, overhead, payroll tax, insurance, permits, etc.
skipsh2
Capitalism can, this form of it cant.
QT3pt141592653
Late-stage unhinged capitalism
[deleted]
I get all of that, my problem is the step when all of those things come under ownership of those who didn't build it or do the work.
johnvictor
Can't function as well without people dying or going hungry as well. It's an inherently exploiting system.
All profit is theft. Every dollar on the stock market is one that wasn't paid to the workers.
beoluves
People have been trained to believe companies "deserve" to take part of the worker's earnings too, as if there was some intrinsic value
The "risk" of companies starting a business is called upon, while the risk of worker's giving their time is disregarded.
What risk of worker's giving up their time? I can put my life savings in a business and lose it all - tough shit. That's the risk.
They could be making more money elsewhere. And without workers, the company makes no money. They're more valuable than the company
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
And... the factory just runs on the spirit of Marx, right?
Without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel could turn.
TheOsbowner
Well said
Oh. No. Why don’t WE actually do anything about it? Posting on a social media site does nothing. Why don’t WE do something about it.
Great. Get your asses in the union and fix the system together. https://iww.org
ATastyCorpsesicle
Because one person trying to do something about it without anyone else backing them up gets unperson'd by the oligarchs.
tumppu
Well, you SHOULD take the company to court over unpaid wages. However, the system is stacked against a single worker and you have been >
brainwashed into thinking "unions bad", so you are fucked, unless you can find a lawyer willing to represent pro bono.
I am working on it, I've joined the IWW, I encourage everyone else to as well, and part of our mission is to abolish the wage system.
SonderingStrike
I am in a union, and am regularly on picket lines in solidarity.
DamagedDingo
Squints.. is that WW1 in reverse?
TheFishFace
Wage theft means withholding wages you agreed to pay, not paying workers less than the value that produce to extract profit
Even to his point about extracting value from workers, it would assume that their work deserves compensation equal to 100% of the profits.
Minimum wage might be severely underpaying workers, but they don't deserve 100% of profits. Owners put in capital, work and take risks.
Owners can be paid according to how much work they put in too.
MedicSailor
This Paul person above is a perfect example of how popular someone who is loud can be even if they are incorrect.
icommentwithsteveharvey
The entire idea of profit is exploitation
Exploitation is not the same as theft so that's ok
pnersvfu
Perhaps it's time to change that definition.
Changing definitions because you don't like them is annoying and confusing. Use a phrase that doesn't already mean something else
SirBagels
How is purposefully and maliciously surpressing wages not wage theft? Definitions change when new info and situations arise.
wowbaggerthethird
yea, that's the impression when you get your "news" from social networks, you moron.
storebrandproductmascot
This is the same media that tells you corporate Dems are honest and leftist Dems are ridiculous, so, I mean, do the math.
BetterKnownAsJasonDarket
How, then, should we stop it?
Munchman347
So, who owns the 'news'?
BillDoubleu
If people organized and cooperated, we could change the world.
HackerJacker
liar
BigguySteve
Well that’s because the first is more impressive unfortunatly
Varenvel
thats becouse rich own the media:)
thedysentery
There are many stories about the 4.5 m in wage theft, including this article caling it out: https://popular.info/p/a-tale-of-two-thefts
Varenvel
thats becouse rich own the media:)
Varenvel
i seen same case when content creators were exposing cheater problem in warthunder , company just sent cease and desist notices and DMCA.
gnomedeplume
just remember if you see someone shoplifting, no you didn't
Drix1942
unluckyandbored
The news media is now a tool of the ruling class to keep us angry and subjugated.
d3ltabrav00
They lock up their laundry soap, I don't know why but it bothers me so much. There is a $30 box of allergy pills in the next isle...
d3ltabrav00
...if someone needs laundry soap that bad, write if off on insurance ?
cheeseplate1971
They see it as a feature not a bug?
typhoongrande
One is unusual, the other happens all the time.
rshewmaker6
What did she steal? Shampoo and conditioner
TaxiGhoul
Corporations are people, like estranged, successful family members. Their greedy behavior supports a lifestyle of convenience for customers.
idontknowyoufromadam
Seems to have been largely true at the time of the story referenced. https://popular.info/p/a-tale-of-two-thefts
clonedeeznuts
That’s because corporations are people until they do something bad, then they’re untouchable
JayEnfield
iChase79
You mean the company that pays millions advertising each year got no negative coverage? Shocker! I would not tank a paying client either.
RideTheStimutacs
I challenged my old employer who tried to say that 2 hours out for my dentist appt was one of my sick days. I worked that day. Overtime.
eiyuu99
Capitalism rewards the better thief and supports the greedy.
applesforjuice
I goolgled "Walgreens 4.5 million" and I gave up counting the number of news articles. It was more than one though. More than 10.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
You had to Google it though. We were inundated with the theft stories.
EmsTekTube
It’s almost like these people blemish the facts to get a ruse out of people
Skizzlesnap
“But I only saw one after not searching so that’s what I’m posting” - this self important asshat
chloramphenicolderivative
and the 950$ wasn't about one instance of theft, it was about so much theft that walgreens were closing several locations in SF.
theonetruezuul
https://qz.com/2077384/why-is-walgreens-really-closing-its-stores-in-san-francisco/
MechKelly
To be fair, $950 worth of stuff from Walgreens is pretty impressive.
keyblader1985
Unless it's pharmaceuticals, in which case it's like a pocketful
METROlD
Back in the 90s I stole a chainsaw the day after Xmas. Came back 20 minutes later and asked to return it without a recipient. It worked!
samanthadlcruz
ran out without paying for his weeks supply of insulin.
Ark161
ooof
KyleButNotThatKyle
So sick of this "media bad" BS meme.
Nalianna
read it again, it's a "corporate theft is bad" meme.
KyleButNotThatKyle
It's a meme condemning "the media" with made up data about "309 stories" vs. "1 single story".
Bwamsandi
stop bitching about the media imgur, it works for the rich.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
...yeah? That's what they're bitching about.
Bwamsandi
how else would the story have ever been reported? honestly that the rich get away with it just makes americans look weak.
Youhavinagiraffe
"this thing is bad... therefore you should not complain about it" ...what?
Bwamsandi
no, its more like stop with all the bitching and moaning unless you intend to do something about it. even /funny isn't funny anymore.
Bwamsandi
this place used to be funny, used to be cool. now its just political bitching and moaning from the united states.
MeowMachine12
So go to a different site. Imgur will never be catered to you, the content is driven by the users. I know the collapse of the US isn't
MeowMachine12
convenient for anyone but whining about will absolutely not help. Find a different corner of the internet to live in.
Bwamsandi
I should clarify, it will result in it because its all wind without action. I'm not saying be a vigilante but have you punched a nazi today?
Bwamsandi
oh I spend quite a bit of time everywhere online, that's how I know all this complaining is going to result in a fascist state at some point
Youhavinagiraffe
If there's 1 guaranteed way to beat fascism it's pay less attention and let them get on with it. "Democracy dies in the light" as they say
Bwamsandi
ok so note to self, don't remind idiot americans everything they see and hear is owned by the rich. pity no ones got a guillotine eh?
MyNameIsntChris
Love it when users like you assume why they got downvoted and have to reply to themselves to make them feel better
Bwamsandi
Honestly the fact that the american people haven't torn their oligarchs to bloody ribbons yet is beyond me but hey, you people do you.
Bwamsandi
Feel better oh no, its more to show derision dear imgurian. I care not for the down votes I want to see how foolish the people of imgur are
MeowMachine12
You're SO sick of political posts you're going to waste time seeing how "foolish" we are on said posts? That makes you the fool.
Bwamsandi
we are all of us fools. thinking our words have weight while the richest in the world dance in the flames of our worlds end. have some fun.
iamdanman
We need to topple this fucking oligarchy already
whatmakesushuman
Kleptocracy.
MADchemEE
NonstopRampage
I'll be honest. All we need is a live feed of us literally eating ONE of these rich cocksuckers. The rest are a bunch of spineless clowns.
eathotdog
Nah you'll just keep shitposting on social media
iamdanman
They’d send goons
Jetda
The security and contractors they can afford are not however
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
I’ll be honest, no one will do such a thing.
iamdanman
Elon Musk
xenathewarriorprincesswashot
How bout we stopped supporting oligarchs for personal benefits instead?
werrywerry
Some, like ex prez for example, would literally feed you their children to save themselves. But they would never give up their clout.
GerhardRammelhausen
I want a cut from the neck or back, those muscles probably didn't work a single day.
whatmakesushuman
This is a great comment, lol. What’s with the downvotes!?
NonstopRampage
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Honestly I bet they would all just buy better security and assume they were too good for it to happen to them
ArdentSlacker
That's just inviting armed employees in, and paying them well, to keep out other employees who aren't paid well.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Most armed security usually aren't paid great either.
ArdentSlacker
My fave? A converted missile silo base (with a stupid POOL on the bottom level) being shown off in a video. Inadequate hydroponics, etc 1+
lildumptruck
Imgur couch warriors gonna do something!? No. Absolutely not. These dweebs suggesting to eat them. Sure.
NonstopRampage
Actually, I'd say you're right about that one.
iamdanman
I’ve done my part politically, democracy is too fuckin slow. We don’t even have a democracy anymore
lildumptruck
Sorry to burst your bubble, bubbles. But we do have a democracy. You are feeling the intangible draw of doom-saying. But you are forgiven
lildumptruck
Every generation for all time believes they live in the end times. We might be though lol
Eridianne
Do your civic duty and steal at least one thing whenever you shop big box
Danceswithcanines
This is my standard W***Mart plan: go in, buy a bunch of crap, return it all the next day.That way you hurt W while creating employee hours
Chloesaurus
LiterallyLordSatan
I'm not going to prison over a corporate store getting butthurt.
Eridianne
Jeez just scam the self checkout, don't try to walk out with a TV under your shirt
dsw5067
Yea, I swap tags routinely. Paying $20 for that $60 shirt is a sick discount!
TK421isAFK
Not my fault they hired a shitty cashier and refused to pay him. You need to hire a better cashier than me, and fuckin' pay me.
LupusMalevolens
The self checkout thing here has a scale. If you put an unscanned item or scan a different one, it freezes
TK421isAFK
Most of those have been disabled or removed because they take up too much employee time when an item mis-weighs.
sambaah05
Yeah, no. https://sports.yahoo.com/criminal-defense-attorney-explains-why-170210360.html
sambaah05
Alternate link: https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-walmart-self-checkout-shoppers-cited-and-sent-to-court-for-mistakes
eggmuffin
That is horrifying...
Eridianne
Cool take me and everyone who uses a self check to the fuckin judge ahahaha -- is there an emote equivalent to the jerking off motion?
sambaah05
eggmuffin
Being sentenced is not the problem. It won't happen. Having to take money and time out of your life to deal with the charge is the problem.
TK421isAFK
That's a shitty link full of auto-loading videos, and AdBlock worked overtime on over 100 elements. Yahoo Sports, really? Are they slow? 1/2
TK421isAFK
Side note: Carrie Jerrnigan is a self-righteous piece of shit that pushes her religious and right-wing political agenda as if it's 2/3
sambaah05
Here you go: https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-walmart-self-checkout-shoppers-cited-and-sent-to-court-for-mistakes . Understand
paulwall117350
The reason they don't want to investigate wage theft is because capitalism depends on it. Profit is created when the worker isn't paid the
NeedHelpwithresume89
That's just not true buddy
rbudrick
I disagree entirely that it couldnt exist without it. They absolutely could pay a decent wage. They just don't.
Colopty
Depends on whether you include value generation under "profit" or just define it as capital shifting.
Thephedora
They're not doing effectively business models then.
YoSamiteSam
They are actually stealing the entire value of labor, and then deciding how much they stole based on the fraction for that they agreed to.
Gorzine
This is so false. My father owned a plumming company (45 people total) everyone was paied 30% or more above the medium salary for the job1/2
Gorzine
And he still made excellent profits reinvested in the company to make work more enjohable and made more than a decent salary. 2/3
Gorzine
Corruption and greed is what's happening. 3/3
AntiquesRoadShow420AppraiseIt
Capitalism doesn't _depend_ on it, but capitalism DOES *reward* it.
InconspicuousLampshade
I love the variety of ways you're showing emphasis here.
Username62611
By communist standards, *all* profit is wage theft. Though this is wage theft even by capitalist standards.
putcleverusernamehere
Completely wrong. Wage theft is when a company does not pay a worker as agreed, and lies or cheats to do so, an actual crime.
putcleverusernamehere
The clothes you wear and the food you eat depends on capitalism. The issue is *unregulated* capitalism
Snapeworts
It depends on production. Capitalism is just a form of governance over production. We could still have things without being exploited.
putcleverusernamehere
I agree, and it would still be capitalism, but regulated
Snapeworts
Capitalism's selling point is laissez Faire methodology though. Once you relate it, it's no longer capitalism, it starts becoming more
ProppaGanda
If it were a crime why nobody gets criminal persecution for it?
spacecowboyein
I don't know about it being criminal, but there are hefty civil penalties that can pierce the veil.
putcleverusernamehere
Because it's generally done in ways to avoid detection, plus it's typically one worker's complaint against a team of lawyers
ProppaGanda
Literally nowhere in the US can anybody ever be personally persecuted for, for example, overtime violations.
ProppaGanda
It literally is not a crime. Nobody takes any responsibility for it. If they get caught they just need to pay slightly more. And the money
Trelfar
https://www.epi.org/publication/fighting-workplace-abuses-criminal-prosecutions-of-wage-theft-and-other-employer-crimes-against-workers/
putcleverusernamehere
I'm not saying it isn't regulated and prosecuted correctly. I'm just saying overtime violations to use your example is theft, not capitalism
paulwall117350
full value of the product that they've created. The excess is kept by the bosses as profit. Capitalism can't function without wage theft.
cheddarhat
They created it, but the boss sourced and paid for the equipment, the raw materials, overhead, payroll tax, insurance, permits, etc.
skipsh2
Capitalism can, this form of it cant.
QT3pt141592653
Late-stage unhinged capitalism
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
paulwall117350
I get all of that, my problem is the step when all of those things come under ownership of those who didn't build it or do the work.
johnvictor
Can't function as well without people dying or going hungry as well. It's an inherently exploiting system.
ProppaGanda
All profit is theft. Every dollar on the stock market is one that wasn't paid to the workers.
beoluves
People have been trained to believe companies "deserve" to take part of the worker's earnings too, as if there was some intrinsic value
beoluves
The "risk" of companies starting a business is called upon, while the risk of worker's giving their time is disregarded.
spacecowboyein
What risk of worker's giving up their time? I can put my life savings in a business and lose it all - tough shit. That's the risk.
beoluves
They could be making more money elsewhere. And without workers, the company makes no money. They're more valuable than the company
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
And... the factory just runs on the spirit of Marx, right?
paulwall117350
Without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel could turn.
TheOsbowner
Well said
awfulmemeuser
Oh. No. Why don’t WE actually do anything about it? Posting on a social media site does nothing. Why don’t WE do something about it.
ProppaGanda
Great. Get your asses in the union and fix the system together. https://iww.org
ATastyCorpsesicle
Because one person trying to do something about it without anyone else backing them up gets unperson'd by the oligarchs.
tumppu
Well, you SHOULD take the company to court over unpaid wages. However, the system is stacked against a single worker and you have been >
tumppu
brainwashed into thinking "unions bad", so you are fucked, unless you can find a lawyer willing to represent pro bono.
paulwall117350
I am working on it, I've joined the IWW, I encourage everyone else to as well, and part of our mission is to abolish the wage system.
SonderingStrike
I am in a union, and am regularly on picket lines in solidarity.
DamagedDingo
Squints.. is that WW1 in reverse?
TheFishFace
Wage theft means withholding wages you agreed to pay, not paying workers less than the value that produce to extract profit
spacecowboyein
Even to his point about extracting value from workers, it would assume that their work deserves compensation equal to 100% of the profits.
spacecowboyein
Minimum wage might be severely underpaying workers, but they don't deserve 100% of profits. Owners put in capital, work and take risks.
TheFishFace
Owners can be paid according to how much work they put in too.
MedicSailor
This Paul person above is a perfect example of how popular someone who is loud can be even if they are incorrect.
icommentwithsteveharvey
The entire idea of profit is exploitation
TheFishFace
Exploitation is not the same as theft so that's ok
pnersvfu
Perhaps it's time to change that definition.
TheFishFace
Changing definitions because you don't like them is annoying and confusing. Use a phrase that doesn't already mean something else
SirBagels
How is purposefully and maliciously surpressing wages not wage theft? Definitions change when new info and situations arise.