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Sonicschilidogs
Funny thing is, the best way to prevent unionization is to not treat your employees like utter fucking trash
DameDePiques
So the slide towards fascism is the fault of unions. I knew it! /s
Evilpercy
Corporatism
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Capitalism isn't declining, it's reaching it's apex in an unregulated and uncontrolled environment.
SkycladNightStroller
Billionaires ain’t sheeiiit
SonderingStrike
If you refuse to join a union, you may as well kiss your workers rights goodbye. They're already stripping them away
JayDeeDubs
I'd say it's not necessarily late capitalism, it's just when capitalism is threatened. That's why fascism popped up so hard in the 30s
ThisIsSteel
Kinda see why Marx believed there would be an inevitable bloody clash between capitalism and socialism.
DickGenie
Is late capitalism the same as late-stage capitalism? Seems to be two different things, but here means the same?
khora
Has Bezos made any public statements on politics? I assume what his stance is, but has he said anything?
rooik14
Being anti-union is a political stance & Bezos is anti-union.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
If only there was someone to warn us about this for last ~150 years or so
Micmacmquaide
They were never left to begin with, a polished facade to seem neutral while setting up this dystopia. Nasty shits
Fedotia
The word you are looking for is "Banana Republic".
gsynth
Fuck billionaires
Alpine262
This is the biggest issue in america right now and a lot of politicians are in on it.
labotomite
It doesn’t help that they both look like Superman villains
MattJJ1995
#1 actually, I would say they moved to the alt right at Ludacris speed!
FlintNorth44
Republicans complain about immigrants, but who hires them? The same repubs who complain. Most contractors picking up immigrants from the/
FlintNorth44
local Home Depot (yes, this happens) are white repubs. So why are they angry? Because no one stops to ask who, what, when, where, and why.
FlintNorth44
Like the System of a Down song says: mezmerized the simple minded, propaganda leaves us blinded.
FlintNorth44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoheCz4t2xc Very relevant today.
MechaNinja
I don't get why, either. Bezos could pay every Amazon employee $100k and still be richer than he was in 2019.
MechaNinja
(I've done the math on this based on published numbers, two different times, and it just ... expands into infinity.)
MechaNinja
Why do these people and corporations need not just lots of money but all of it?
pummel5
It's far more than money they take
drakesyn
Fascism is the Immune response of Capitalism. This has always been the case. Take heart, it means they are fearful.
eightyearplan
also, attacks make it worse.
drakesyn
I'm deeply confused by what you mean.
eightyearplan
https://scholarship.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/handle/10066/1229
eightyearplan
https://thediplomat.com/2021/02/an-end-in-sight-for-the-philippines-maoist-insurgency/
RawSuger
2% wealth tax over 1 million (5% on 10+),60% income tax over 200K (75% on 500K),actual policing of white collar crime,no first past the post
thomerow
And cap the maximum private net worth at something like $50m, too, while you're at it.
phrankphoebius
It's interesting that comments like this are always downvoted, although as a civilization we have no other choice in the long run. Money 1/2
phrankphoebius
is not meant to be hoarded on such a large scale by single individuals in a society as large as ours. 2/2
chloramphenicolderivative
As a European this would be amazing. We'd basically receive like half of all your investment capital for free.
RawSuger
if you think US cant catch tax dodgers you havent been påaying attention.
chloramphenicolderivative
Not investing in something isn't dodging taxes. International corporations would stop building new projects in the US and move abroad.
RawSuger
again no thats completely insane. US is WAY too big a market to ignore and we arent talking about taxing corporations atm. if ppl started
RawSuger
3) and you cant avoid a wealth tax by not investing...its still wealth regardless what form your assets take
RawSuger
2) changing nationality to avoid taxation that is 1000% tax evasion and US is most certainly a country that could punish that
chloramphenicolderivative
Tax avoidance and tax evasion is not the same, and if you make it shittier to live in the US people who can will move abroad.
ZeitGeist444
I'm just wondering how long this can keep going.. I mean it'll always "go on", but in this city rent is impossible, cost of living? Ha!
JudgeMentaI
I think there will come a breaking point where people will get fed-up and start hunting down the 1%.
SpaceHaggis
When civilisation crumbles.
RunicRasol
Basically, this. When enough poor people die, and civilization cant keep going due to not enough 'workers' Then the folks at the top will /1
RunicRasol
create a new system of power that conveniently keeps them in power over the ones below them. Repeat to infinity. /2
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flounder35
I read a story a while back saying they wanted to create a company town. Because those worked so well before.
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CosmicCat8
Ive seen creepy run down towns that are just shacks, with no services. Not on a map. Next to an amazon distribution center and nothing else
P0sit1veTh0ughts
Worked for Walmart in the 2000’s. Orientation training included anti-union videos that told u to report employees attempting to form a union
shoe47
Me too, they forced us to sign a form “promising” to never unionize in order to get hired. Weird ‘control’ way of framing it, quasi legal.
shoe47
I needed a job and this was not my first try so you’re put in a bind from the beginning.
MattJJ1995
You must live in a red state. I worked for them in the early 2000s and never saw a video telling me to report employees attempting to form 1
P0sit1veTh0ughts
I live in NY
MattJJ1995
Who was Gov when you worked there?
P0sit1veTh0ughts
Paterson
MattJJ1995
Was it a (R) or (D) state government?
Xerrai
Haha. We also got a paper we had to sign saying we wouldnt join a union. It was like the D.A.R.E form pledging not to do drugs
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
Kroger was also this way when they opened new stores in the mid-Atlantic Kate 90’s too early 2000’s.
SleeperXib
That should be flat out illegal. Interesting times indeed...
muffmunchies
Law enforcement in this country currently only serves businesses & rich folk, the rest of us are left to rott.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
I'm pretty sure it is. But that won't stop you from getting fired if you report them. And they probably just have to pay a small fine.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
If the only punishment is a set value fine that just means its legal if you can afford it.
unluckyandbored
If you live in an at will state they can fire you for no reason at all.
PutItInNeutral
There are reasons that they cannot fire you for, but the burden of proof is on you.
unluckyandbored
Yup. Which means they can do whatever they want.
PutItInNeutral
That's why people give the advice of document, document, document when people post about work problems on this site.
ruste
Don't get distracted by the culture wars. Follow the money.
neoelder
I'm not following the money. At the end there is an evil witch that will eat you with lots of paprika.
mardukkur
The "culture wars" are not a distraction if you're not a white dude. Motherfuckers want to kill you.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
You just gotta tell that to the actual fascists who are committing mass shootings in the name of white supremacy.
LoudBirb
I'm not "distracted" from fighting wealth disparity by fighting for things like abortion and equal rights. I can do both.
Strategicgnomer
And when you catch up to it, be very quiet and get your net ready!
omnipotentpasta
NayaTaylor
Ape together strong ???
CleverGroom
It's tricky in the USA, because there isn't a Poors Party. There's a party for culturally okayish rich people and a party for rich fascists.
mardukkur
This is totally wrong, what there isn't is a party for the middle class. The Dems have delivered for the actually poor for decades.
mardukkur
Every single fakeass lefty whining about the ACA (100% free HC if youre poor) or student debt relief (vast majority goes to UMC) is a fraud.
Koztah
Both your parties have repeatedly chosen to spend billions on bombing brown people over helping your homeless, for decades.
mardukkur
One of our parties spends over $60 billion annually helping our homeless. https://www.hud.gov/budget
Silas007
There are plenty (like DSA). They are just not winning many elections.
CleverGroom
It's a two-party system by design. There's no path for a third party without a new constitution, so this is all we get for the foreseeable.
Silas007
I don't disagree.
somerandomusernamething
Ranked choice voting can be implemented at the state level as Maine has already done. This would end 2 party without by in from congress.
thecollective01
No war but class war
LanceCrossfire
The smartest thing the rich right did was convince poor people that 'others' (black, gay etc) were the enemy instead of them.
vadersdaddy
what about the rich left? People think they finally see the truth, yet are still so foolhardy.
vadersdaddy
I worked my ass off, wrecked my body. Now I endure 8/10 chronic pain daily from years of construction work in order to start my own company.
vadersdaddy
To say that the rich are the enemy, is to say that any one person could potentially be the enemy, be the bad guy.
vadersdaddy
If my company becomes über successful and makes me very wealthy, am I now everyone else's enemy? Am I the bad guy now?
vadersdaddy
The enemy isn't those with wealth. It's those in perpetual continuance to have power and take yours. Money is only a means to achieve power.
FlurpNerp
They mean buying politicians & laws rich. If you own a construction company, you're not the level of rich they're talking about.
FlurpNerp
(2) It'd be more accurate to say exploitative companies mistreating workers. If you as an employer treat workers fairly, then you're good.
Applewhite5
Communism is the result of the working class developing class consciousness. Fascism is the result of capitalist class consciousness.
FlintNorth44
Yes, but communism was exploited almost as soon as it was implemented. Capitalism is no different and will take time to recover from.
rubypilgrim
you know, communism isn't the opposite of fascism, any more than socialism is the opposite of capitalism. They're just artificial theories.-
Allrighty
Pretty sure those are actually opposites. You can call them artificial, but something will happen whether you label it or not.
rubypilgrim
We have other choices, and we can come up with new ones.
rooik14
You seem to be reacting out of fear. Would you like to talk about that? Are you maybe unfamiliar with anarcho-communism?
Rink257
No lie, just too nicw to be mean, to nieve and socially awkward to know a joke. Please explain anarcho-commu.... Google
Rink257
I mean, it sounds self explanitory but ppl get into shit for avoiding the fine print, so. Im gonna learn some things new today. Yay!
astrangehop
Well they're both heavily Authortarian. How about Anarcho-syndicalism
Applewhite5
Anarcho Syndicalism is awesome but communism is not, in fact, an authoritarian ideology.
rooik14
Except they're not authoritarian. You might be thinking of Maoism or Stalinism-Leninism. All Socialism & Communism are, is more democracy 1/
rooik14
2/2 in more places. Specifically in the work place. It sees owners as the dictators they are & says these things should be democracies too.
astrangehop
Fair! Iirc we also haven't seen "true" communism supercede a fully industrialized cap state.
mardukkur
Fascism is the ABSENCE of class consciousness, replacing it with racial & religious identity.
Applewhite5
Just because Hitler said so doesn't make it true.
Applewhite5
Imagine believing that status is "irrelevant" in a fascist society then calling the other person "ignorant of history" lmaooooooo.
mardukkur
It's true because it's true. The fascist expropriate the capitalists in the outgroup, incorporate the capitalists in the ingroup. Class...
mardukkur
status is irrelevant, only righthink and identity.
Applewhite5
class consciousness doesn't preclude fucking over members of one's own class if they're a threat to that class.
mardukkur
There is no way to reconcile fascism as a defense of class interests when class interests are clearly irrelevant 2 determining in&out groups
RetrogradeLlama
Right wing minions are too stupid to see they are being manipulated.
mardukkur
They're not. Their values are being catered to. Their values are evil.
RetrogradeLlama
"values" /S
mardukkur
Yeah,they value white supremacy. They value it a lot more than econ policy that will help them materially.
StellarJay77
The system is working as designed. Keep em stupid, keep em scared, keep em outraged, and it's just slavery with a few extra steps.
boondoggle2025
Rand Paul is aware Russia has influence and manipulates him.
Soufange
No introspection whatsoever. My uncle thought Don't Look Up was a riot until I told him and he confirmed the president was a MAGA stand-in.
Disembowleeh
As easy as it is to write off any followers as ignorant, I think there is belief that "that could be me! On this path I could make it!"
dirtcreature
Goes for the left as well. Cultism and populism are at an all time high.
JackSmiles2
but but but but but but SoroS (./s)
Noughmad
It's not a coincidence that these are the same people who follow and donate to religions.
Destro24
They don’t care as long as the rich are on the same side.
RetrogradeLlama
If they could just own the libs, they'd all be rich.
sloch
Cuz sum day I'll be rich too. /s
ArkoneAxon
It's hard to convince people otherwise when you can't stop insulting them. Nobody wants to listen to a jerk, even if the jerk's right.
Muffyns
Sorry for calling the part of racists homophonic cunts racists homophobic cunts
ArkoneAxon
*hands you your "I'm doing everything possible to make things WORSE while feeling smugly superior" card*
AndroidSoul
^he's right though. Convincing yourself everyone who disagrees with you is an easily dismissed scumbag is generally unhelpful
RetrogradeLlama
Yes, let's be nice to them. I'm sure they'll come around to logical argument /S
ArkoneAxon
Yes. Yes they do. Daryl Davis does it all the time... in spite of "allies" actively undermining his efforts.
https://imgur.com/qIhNiUJ
Kiore
Louder for the people at the back. I know how hard it is to be kind in the face of hate but we have to be better than them.
keillrandor
Only up to a point. At some point, it has to be understood that war has been declared and is already upon us.
RetrogradeLlama
Democrats issue in beating them is that Dems have morals they won't compromise. Rethugs have no such limitations on their behavior.
CosmicCat8
I dont disagree, but it sure feels like that attitude got Trump elected. Even using kid gloves they want to shoot you anyway.
Kiore
Tho also, kindness didn't get Trump elected. Apathy and hubris did.
Kiore
Even I'm starting to admit there's some people who are just garbage people. But there's a lot more who are isolated, or just kinda meh ppl.
Applewhite5
https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/ the rich are our enemy. They are actively hostile to us.
RemtonDulyak
That was depressing to watch, and in fact i stopped after a while, i don't need more depression...
dirtcreature
Who are "the rich"?
TsubakiTragic
Japan did it in the late 40s and it was hugely successful... America it's you turn to start eating the rich.
fartalert
Homeless and veteran are two words that don't belong together
sockstrapsecond
W.o.w.
letsdosciencetogether
To the DVs on my comment, read the full thread. You people haven't experienced hunger apparently. Every point made is valid.
unluckyandbored
Always have been.
JustAnotherCynicToo
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Pokedthebear
I keep it with startrek and say that we actually don't need money or a financial system at all. It's all just in our heads.
Josieandthebeans
ProppaGanda
Yup, and we've resolved the problem of scarcity distribution already, it's called queues. Leave monetary exchange for luxury goods.
NomDeImguerre
As long as there is scarcity, there is money. And there will always be scarcity. Even StarTrek had gold-pressed latium.
NomDeImguerre
The issue isn't wealth, it's regulation. And that's why the US is crumbling.
nemesisx00
That had no value within the Federation. It was used to trade with the hyper-capitalist Ferengi...
ProppaGanda
Inca empire had no money. Ni form of currency whatsoever.
NomDeImguerre
That's not true. There was no standardized valuta, because, yes, basic necessities were provided. But there was trade. Just, by its nature..
NomDeImguerre
.. off the books. Informal.
rakas90
They do have matter replicators though, that helps with the regional scarcity bit. We have poorly distributed abundance right now
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
We have expertly distributed poverty
letsdosciencetogether
I agree and dislike Musk, but this happened: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11/elon-musk-un-world-hunger-famine/
letsdosciencetogether
Which is why I'm not a fan of saying 7.5% of X could solve Y. It does get the point across though, tax the rich... or eat them.
letsdosciencetogether
Interesting how everyone hates on this comment. If a check could solve World Hunger billionaires would do it as protection money.
letsdosciencetogether
Protection from the very people on this thread downvoting this comment. It would be cheap for them right? That's the point of the graphic.
letsdosciencetogether
My point is simple, I don't like these comparisons because it takes efficient systems and a lot of work to feed the hungry. Not just money.
letsdosciencetogether
My family growing up had food insecure before and refused welfare assistance due to pride. How do you solve that hunger? How about
letsdosciencetogether
I also believe that part of the problem is only one kid in the class does the entire group project i.e. the work is hard and ignored.
dontrike
What the hell does this even mean in this context?
letsdosciencetogether
It takes work to feed people. Not all hungry people seek help, why do videos of people actively finding and distributing food to those in 1
letsdosciencetogether
It takes real effort to feed all of the hungry and food insecure, not just money. The best most organizations can hope for is cash for guilt
letsdosciencetogether
their communities get thousands of upvotes? Because it's uncommonly great right? That's my point. Not everyone is going to a food bank. 2
letsdosciencetogether
Why even ask then? You know it sucks to try and actually engage and then find out the other person is just trolling you. That helps no one.
letsdosciencetogether
No replies and just downvotes. You are the other troll on this thread. I reply each time with rational thought out replies and you don't.
letsdosciencetogether
So a tiny handful of people who are under or unpaid put it all that time and effort that is for the most part not valued by society.
letsdosciencetogether
In other words, the 1 kid in class doing the group assignment.
dontrike
But it didn't happen. They came up with a plan, he did nothing. Nothing happened.
Fatedtoothpick
He never actually donated the money to WFP in the end, just a load of public posturing and then he bought twitter instead
letsdosciencetogether
That's because a check doesn't solve anything. Like I said, taxes, min incomes, policy, etc solves this issue. Billionaires do pay for
letsdosciencetogether
goodwill every day. You think Musk and Bezos wouldn't want to shout from the rooftops they ended world hunger so they can keep their
letsdosciencetogether
billions in peace? The money would help, but it's not a solution to the underlying problem and that was my point.
DanBartStart
Tried to buy twitter. Hasn't gone through and has since lost about 30% of his total wealth.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
letsdosciencetogether
It's easier to found Amazon or Tesla than it is to end World Hunger, because the problems you are solving are more obvious.
Applewhite5
That lifehacks Black dude hands a carrot to a homeless guy and makes an exasperated face at you.
letsdosciencetogether
It is that simple isn't it? Cool, have him send me a video of the same in North Korea. DVs come from the willfully ignorant here I'm afraid.
SJohnson23
Musk didn’t found Tesla, he bought it and the title of founder.
letsdosciencetogether
Haha, true, "easier to buy Tesla..."? "Easier to be born wealthy and connected"? Now I'm laughing and can't correct my sentence.
dontrike
What problem(s) is Tesla or Amazon solving again?
letsdosciencetogether
My point isn't clear and that's the problem. People literally don't realize that not all hungry people even ask for help. They don't realize
letsdosciencetogether
that just getting food into some communities is incredibly challenging and takes time and effort. They don't see the invisible problems
letsdosciencetogether
Logistics and transportation. Amazon is one of the most logistically innovative organizations on the planet. I'm not saying they are solving
dontrike
Logistics and transportation? Those are so entirely vague that they could mean anything.
letsdosciencetogether
problems that need to be solved in our society. I said they solve obvious problems. People want stuff fast, how do we get it to them faster?
letsdosciencetogether
An obvious problem with clear things to tackle to solve right? So my point is perfectly valid? Yes, yes it is.